Peter. What you see here is that it tracks rather nicely with the Vector 3, though the Stages R is a bit off, likely for two reasons. I have a bike with a thru-axle, and my son has a quick-release. How does The Netherlands deal with recycling that nuisance? Easy setup Helpful support Budget-friendly, Basic wheel on turbo trainer. This has improved since the first time I tried it, initially it required 400w+ in this gear combination. Not too shabby: So where do we stand? . Click above for all the details. Here’s a bunch of random trip reports and daily trip-logs that I’ve put together and posted. For £60 more than the price of the Elite Zumo, I can buy the Elite drivo direct drive; both from Halfords & both with the same warranty. Then, I come here and write about my adventures. I could also go lower of course ( tacx flow for 100€ ) but i think i will quickly get annoyed by the noise, poor road feel and lack of accuracy. Be careful if you do buy an Elite trainer from Clever Training(US at least). It should be there. Saris M2 Smart Indoor Trainer . While they’re there they might like to tell Zwift to stop telling people their Zumo trainer can’t be calibrated in their world. Please could you send a photo to firstname.lastname@example.org with your situation and we’ll have the team look at it. This trainer pushes the boundaries of what companies can make price-wise right now in 2019 (or, even back in 2018). So the maximum resistance thing is something someone else had as well. Zwift support helpfully told me that the reason was my make and model isn’t compatible with their calibration process. Thanks for response! So instead, let’s wrap up on one last thing – which is the folding legs. Pair your Zumo trainer to Elemnt Bolt using ANT+. But still, an extra half a meter would be great. I’m using a Zumo with a separate power meter and wondering about calibration. Hi Justin, would you mind sending us a photo of your set up so our team can understand the situation? I’ve just set up my Zumo. Not sure if dual sided power meters all exhibit this behaviour over bluetooth. Has anyone had problems with a squeking Elite Zumo when pedalling? Check out We’ll talk more about accuracy later on in the accuracy section. Ciao Dave, Do I need to use a Campy freehub especially designed for the Elite trainer? £574.17. Delayed yes, but not horrifically so. Elite Direto Smart Turbo Trainer is rated 4.5 out of 5 by 12. Now, we’ll get to app compatibility in a moment, but first let’s start with the road feel. And as long as it’s executed cleanly and quickly (there might be a few things to tweak in the communications here still, but it’s a very new policy), I’m totally down for avoiding unnecessary spend/shipping/etc. Can’t find mine anywhere, ELITE: This is a Shimano 105 cassette (thus, slightly more budget compared to the Ultegra), in most cases, you probably won't notice the difference. , Not sure, I just ship the whole thing back to Elite. If you’re trying to decide which unit to buy – check out my in-depth reviews section. Like I said above, I think this actually makes sense. So now I have to jump through the hoops to get someone at Elite to respond back. If the issues are more hardware related is there an easy way to find out if you have a newer version based on something like serial numbers. With the android app, the base resistance for the trainer is just set way too low. So I don’t use it. As someone who’s firmly entrenched in the Clydesdale category and about to upgrade to my first direct drive smart trainer (leaning towards the H3), this is a topic I’m curious about. Looks like Styrofoam blocks on top and bottom. You’ll see either a calibration prompt in the app (like TrainerRoad), or a small wrench or such in the settings (like Zwift). Would greatly appreciate some wisdom. I’ll add in a quick video. Ultimately, for the money it’s not a bad option at all. I seem to remember that in last year’s trainer recommendations, the trainer would allow you to use the Zumo for speed/cadence, but you could use a third party powermeter (say, a crank-based unit) for the power. Note some trainers do come with them. And again, don’t forget you can make your own charts in the product comparison tables here. Finally, let’s look at a regular Zwift ride, this one in SIM mode through Titans Grove, which has become my 2019 trainer testing grounds. Like, semi-truck style. Stay tuned. This is all in addition to the trainer itself. How does the same 8% hill on Zwift feel to a rider who is above/at/below that 70 kg mark? I have built an extensive list of my most frequently asked questions. Having had to go direct through manufacturers for warranty issues in the past with various items I was not expecting someone to actually get back to me this fast. Oh, and before we mount the bike you’ll need to either put in the quick release skewer adapters, or the thru-axle adapters, here’s what’s in the box on that front: With that, we’re ready to get the bike mounted. Do you know if this trainer remains available for the European market? 11-speed, 10-speed, 9-speed, etc...). Using this the speed calculation seems to be more accurate and it’s possible to use Zwift again! How easy is it to swap between QR and thru-axles on this? Cant see it on the reivew or on the comparison table ? Thanks for getting back. I am always up for saving a few liras…oops we don’t use liras anymore. Couldn’t get enough resistance using computer with ANT+. Reminds me a lot of the Saris H3 box. Personally, I’m not a big fan of power meter matching/linking type technology from any company, as I often find it does weird things around delays in power. Thank you. Elite Suito Interactive Smart Trainer. ELITE: Dear Kevin, could you please send a short vid to email@example.com FAO Giada Ganeo and our team will diagnose your issue asap. Still, there were a few other blips I’ve highlighted in yellow (the others you see appear to be more drop-related and seem to impact everyone, likely due to some transient WiFi interference). Peter. I did it then because initially things looked fine, but as I got to around the 20ish minute mark I noticed the Zumo was a bit out of alignment. Elite Novo Smart from Hugh Hass November 17, 2020 . Contact firstname.lastname@example.org if you have any questions regarding your set-up. This reaction time and accuracy are both tested here. Ray, is there likely to be a full review on the Suito soon or are production issues still plaguing it. Of course, it’s rarely as simple as that. It was still undercutting the power though. Here's the thing, some people like front wheel blocks, some don't. Welcome to the real world of power meter testing. Peter. As usual, I put the trainer up against a number of power meters to see how well it handled everything from resistance control accuracy, to speed of change, to any other weird quirks along the way. It’s not a $1,000 trainer – so it is what it is. But let’s zoom in on a few random sections. Wondering if anyone can help?! I picked up a Zumo a few days ago, and I’m not altogether sure whether or not I’ve got a faulty one. It sounds like other companies will be doing this too shortly. With the iOS app I can change the resistance from 1-16; 1 is about the equivalent of 9 on my dumb trainer and 16 is slightly more. . ELITE: Hi Stener, as advised to Craig, make sure the difficulty level isn’t set at 0%. Want to compare the features of each product, down to the nitty-gritty? I've got three of these $12 fans floating around the DCR Cave, and I frequently use them on rides. So here is the most up to date list of products I like and fit the bill for me and my training needs best! Peter, Buongiorno Peter. I typically do that with my 30×30 test via TrainerRoad, though it doesn’t really matter what method you use as long as you’re looking at big shifts in wattage: Note above the super hard to read green-line was actually the target, not the blue line. Ended up getting a Tacx Flux S on sale 497€ As the Zumo I noticed is. I have purchased a Zumo for zwift racing but the resistance on the flats is so low I can barely get over 200W before I spin out in the 53:11 making it useless. I recently carried out a TrainerRoad ramp test using the Zumo’s built in power and found myself really struggling to hold 400 W (for reference, when in race shape, I can hold this power for 20 minutes on the road). The myETraining app is quite powerful, although Zwifters probably won’t use any of its features beyond calibration. Please tray this and advise if your issue is sorted. Did you resolve this? Thanks for the information and for responding so quickly . I feel guilty buying everything else online where i can get a good deal, but still want to support them where i can. How does the trainer noise level of these compare to something like the Tacx Flux S and other similarly priced models? I'm one of the ones that do. Elite Drivo smart trainer review. The good, the bad, and the ugly. I’ve had the Zumo a couple months now; and it does all the expected things in the my eTraining app and Zwift etc; however I’ve noticed a good 8 – 12% discrepancy between it an my Stages crank. First, you’ll need to attach the three legs. Some people are just leg guys and gals, others aren’t. Seems to be a communication bug between zwift and trainer. I am probably being daft but how loud is it ? Required fields are marked.If you would like a profile picture, simply register at Gravatar, which works here on DCR and across the web. Sorta like the old days of hitting the TV on the side of the head. You'll likely only use this tool once every 2-3 years. Here you can see the Zumo is slightly delayed compared to the Quarq & PowerTap P2 pedals – and also quite a bit lower (in green). In the UK Halfords are selling the Zumo right now at £399 which is an amazing price, especially when you factor in the 10% British Cycling members will also get. I heard back from Elite’s technical suport yesterday and they are trying to resolve the issues but no luck yet. I dig into the nuances of these both within the power accuracy section. Go about 5:30 into the video link to youtube.com, I don’t want to buy one and then find is hardware revision 1 or 2, ELITE: We shipped out a handful back in June 2018 to only one client (Performance in the USA) then reassumed shipments July 2019 which are the same units DCRay and Shane received, tested and reviewed. it’s rather easy. > Find your nearest dealer here. We are manufacturing with pride Zumo trainers as we speak here in Italy together with our other models like Drivo II, Direto X, Suito, etc. I really appreciate the work of DC Rainmaker and GPlama but i still don’t feel i know what i should be buying. Thankfully, that’s not the case here. I don’t understand the market positioning of this trainer. Think my written reviews are deep? Cheers. Zwift Course Calendar – Current Guest World Sched... Zwift To Release Important Performance Bug Patch, How to Race on Zwift (Setup, Strategy, and More), Shop for a trainer using our Smart Trainer Index, Axle Compatibility: 130/135mm quick release. – Must be entered “0.166” (watch out: it’s 0.166, not 0,166) in the Elemnt app (it will not accept values with a comma, only period). Ok, with that diversion noted, simply plug it in, and you’re good to go. I actually like the styling, as I think it feels more modern than some of the other boxes. Again, that’s fine – that’s why Vector 3 is there anyway. Use Backcountry.com or Competitive Cyclist with either the coupon code DCRAINMAKER for first time users saving 15% on applicable products. They work just fine. Thanks Craig. I got one (also in the sale) the other day and fail to see what it was catching on? KURA is currently ELITE’s top of the line SMART trainer. I just found out last night that the Elite Suito I ordered from them last Friday on the discount that I cannot return because it’s a lemon(horrible flywheel wobble and clanking when under load), I have to go through Elite directly. But that’s another problem for another day. Wattage is not hard-set, only incline levels. Power stays at 0 for the right leg, and since it detects cadence isn’t 0 it resumes the workout, and for the left leg resistance goes through the roof and you end up with twice the normal wattage, resulting in a sawtooth pattern. Hope it will be a big upgrade from my turbo muin, I have been looking for this info also, I think the only way to get the info is by checking/updating the firmware, Zumo owners with issues have hardware revision 1 GPLama tested a trainer that had hardware revision 3 this unit worked perfect. So if you have some imbalance you may well be stronger with your right leg. Mine was fine but one day it just kicked in full resistance. I’m from out of the country and will be visiting the US, what’s the best triathlon shop in city XYZ? link to elite-it.com I still can’t make up my mind and really it’s potentially this as a toe in the water (which is probably the right choice) or a Kickr core as an ‘all in jump in and get wet and resell later if I don’t use it’. Once that’s done, it’s time to attach the cassette. I travel a fair bit, both for work and for fun. It’s mostly pretty good, but does undercut the sprints or power surges pretty consistently. AIUI only a few trainers can connect to a power meter and use it to control resistance. did you check in the polystyrene inserts? 200w), Includes motor to drive speed (simulate downhill), Can directionally steer trainer (left/right), Can simulate road patterns/shaking (i.e. CT will refunds you/etc as you wish if you want to return it. Borson . by joshua » Mon Oct 12, 2020 2:48 pm 0 Replies 216 Views Last post by joshua Mon Oct 12, 2020 2:48 pm ... Elite Qubo Digital Smart B+ magnet cart stuck. That’s certainly a good deal, with the Suito and Diretto both at £550 in Halfords at the moment it’s a good value proposition. It’s a great trainer, but it’s also a beast of a trainer. Tks. It is our priority to continuously improve our trainers with firmware updates to offer the best experience to our customers and Zumo gets the same attention as the other trainers currently in our range. Start the Elemnt app on your phone and pair the device, and go to Sensors-Set up sensors->Fitness Equipment and tap the “>” arrow and select “Set Wheel Circumference” and then disable “Automatic”. Where it can matter though is at low-speed high wattage climbs up those 12% or beyond ascents. Hey anyone with some experience know if the Wahoo Kickr Snap ( 399€ ) at Bol.com vs the Halfords deal ( £399 ) Zumo is the better purchase. Good luck to them. But to each their own. This is a super basic trainer mat, which is exactly what you'll see me use. In turn, this causes you to either have a high cadence (100+ RPM) or a low cadence (70-80 RPM), eventually the cadence stabilises but can require a bit of human input, i.e. A part of Halfords’ exclusive Elite turbo trainer range, the Elite Novo Smart Turbo Trainer makes indoor training easy. Good point, my mind blanked there. My bike is a quick release equipped 2020 Trek Emonda SL5. This trainer seemed to meet my criteria so I went ahead and purchased one. Wheel on trainers tend to be noisier than direct drive machines and can suffer from wheel slip during large accelerations (which can be annoying). For the record, I think wine should always be involved. In the above, you’ll note there’s cadence data baked into the various streams. Elite have two new interactive trainers for 2020, a direct drive and a 'wheel on' trainer. For things like ERG mode, this holds its own perfectly fine. For $8, this solves that problem. This means it can match up to an external power meter to provide more finite control of the trainer. Dear Kevin, Although this was a while ago and software may have been updated but was my reason to upgrade to direct drive. What you’ve got today is a $699 (599EUR, 450GBP…but down to 399GBP in some places, $799AUD) direct drive trainer that’s a pretty darn good value for the money. Really takes indoor training up a level. As it works in the apps I use, and the power number is good, I’m not too bothered was just interested to resolve it. I am going to return it for a refund. All that prefacing done, I’d say this is….ok. I probably wouldn’t want this trainer for serious Zwift Racing. I bought them for my Fulcrum Racing Zero wheels and they are just sitting around. I meant to write freehub bodies, sorry it is late. You probably wouldn’t actually notice it during a ride unless you were watching your cadence like a hawk, but it’s super visible in charts afterwards: Let’s switch things up – this time to a Zwift workout, specifically an ERG workout. My only additional expense was a slick tyre to reduce the noise. I guess that’s the cost of admission into the Campy Club. The two outer legs fold into the center of the trainer, making it a bit easier to store/move. But hey, on the bright side Stages R didn’t lose the plot here. Notify me of followup comments via e-mail. While this might be a fair statement, i know i don’t have all the tools needed for maintenance because i like to take it to LBS. We are now back in action since last week and shipping out trainers and yes the Zumo will be available in some countries in Europe. Zwift Insider makes a small commission on purchases made from these links, so please shop through them to support our efforts. Enjoy, and thanks for stopping by! It’s still a trainer, and I’m still looking at a wall in front of me. ELITE: We were forced to stop production for some weeks due to the lockdown in Italy. Please could you send a photo to email@example.com with your situation and we’ll have the team look at it. $4,999.00. The cost of a cassette is normally $50 or so, and the tools $10-$20 if you don’t have them. The cost to Elite for two SKUs, splitting the manufacturing, warehousing, distribution…something is not clear here. Elite Suito-T Direct Drive Turbo Trainer. I suspect if we fast-forward to 2020 sometime, the decision will be easier once we get past any lingering Suito manufacturing teething issues. Now given the Zumo is a smart trainer, it’ll change resistance automatically in a few different ways, primarily driven by different applications/methods. Isnt that strange that zumo is now a year older & halfords are selling it for £479! “Yes The Bolt “writes” the circumference on the trainer (it is in the properties of ANT+ FEC to be able to do it). Whereas in the case of TrainerRoad I used it in a structured workout mode (ERG mode). Grazie. Thank-You. This impacts inertia and how it feels – primarily when you accelerate or otherwise change acceleration (such as briefly coasting). Don't overthink this. While I can still train a heck of a lot with what I have. It seems the Wahoo Elemnt is somehow sending an FEC signal and messing up all the Zumo internals after changing the wheel circumference in the Wahoo app. Maybe I’ll try in the little ring next. Again, you can also do these calibrations within Zwift, TrainerRoad, or most any other app. S a budget direct drive trainer just requires an alan key in the end user places it should n't it. ( in my case ), and not everyone cares that cadence is perfect %... 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