Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. Yes, the wait times are still the same as they were last year at this time. I said the same thing. Again, rumors are flowing about the eventual electronic submission of fingerprints and the streamlining of FBI background check submissions and returns. etc. Applied for a silencer and SBR construction back in August. It is very easy to electronically file your Form 1 . Sorry to make yet another wait time thread, but I submitted my Efile Form 1 - Individual in the heart of the 5 day wait time frenzy in early November, and I'm getting paranoid that I missed out and am in the waiting game for the projected 7-12 months. Taking my tax dollars to pay for a service I can’t use. I mean, maybe I’m just being a pessimist since I have no actual experience here, but my thinking is that registering NFA items to trusts or corporations doesn’t involve going over CLEO signatures, fingerprints and background checks. That brings me to the good news! ATF recently posted updated processing times for NFA forms, as well as for other firearms and explosives applications. So SBRs are not in common use for lawful purposes? It can vary depending on ATF … Update: CGS Hydra AL Purchased 04/15/2020 Form 3: Delivered to Dealer on 4/22/2020 Form 4 (Single Shot): Tax Stamp Cashed on 4/30/2020 ATF approved 01/06/2021 251 days Check cashed to approved. Dude I have had a e-form form 1 pending since 10/31. The gun community doing what ‘the stimulus’ couldn’t; create actual full time jobs that cost less than $1,000,000 each. Like you, I’ll believe it when I see it. What’s the latest ATF wait time? In short, there’s nothing short about it. Wait times for NFA paperwork are getting ridiculous. All I can say is it sucks but got to wait for it to drift out of some black hole somewhere. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Available for PC, iOS and Android. I did take my time though just to make sure I wasn’t missing anything, and it took roughly an hour between my double or triple checking and the slow processing on the ATF’s website. The ATF is currently fighting a losing battle, as more and more people send in their paperwork for NFA items and the same tired set of examiners are expected to do more and more work. The deadline to submit your 2019 tax return and pay your tax bill is July 15, 2020 (postponed from April 15, due to the coronavirus pandemic). Take got friends at the FBI who looked into if my background check went through and he confirmed it processed with the batch it was sent over with, but ATF says they are waiting on the FBI. Like I said… Interesting. The most secure digital platform to get legally binding, electronically signed documents in just a few seconds. And I was able to print it at home. Form 1's are turning around in … https://www.atf.gov/about/docs/undefined/current-processing-times-atf-applications/download, https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/undefined/current-eforms-processing-time-atf-applications/download. That idea won’t fly. I checked, it’s not April 1st today. Because the Form 3 adds complexity and wait time to the NFA buying process, it can be a weak link in the purchasing and transfer chain. Once your dealer receives the approved Form 3, only then can it fill out a Form 4 transferring the same suppressor to you. Picture for step 2. I'm 3 months in now. Thinking about doing a form 1 and buying a solvent trap kit. That’s one of the few points I disagree with you, Leonard Embody. Smaller government Notice of Firearms Manufactured or Imported. There’s no room for half measures when it comes to committing federal crimes. I agree with you. These statistics, available here and here, clearly show that filing NFA forms electronically results in much faster processing times, with a processing time across the board of seven days versus one month for paper forms. But as a democrat I can understand your incapability to comprehend this. That they might go the other way and reduce requirements, thus more forms are filed and more examiners are going to be needed. Atf Form 2 Fillable. dem nominee will be Chris Christie. Dumping another couple million guns into the NFRTR won’t do much to speed that up. Anyone wanna bet that the wait times will mysteriously drop once Obama is out of office? Wait a minute. The ATF requires that the tax not be paid in cash. On those problem forms, we work with the NFA Branch to get the submission problems corrected ASAP so your form will be accepted.Because of that, there is a slight possibility that your e-Form will be accepted 2-3 days after we submit it; but, that’s still a huge win when it comes to the overall time. You take money out of the government trough. 3. Surely anything is better than what we have now. 08-03-2020, 05:18 PM #11. dfasano. Depending on their backlog, it could be weeks, or it could be months. Finally gave in and called the NFA office, got a sweet sweet pending status on the SBR so I’m just stuck in the normal queue. posted an update about some new hirings at the NFA branch, http://cnsnews.com/news/article/atf-hosts-its-first-gay-pride-observance. That email read: “ATF has taken significant steps to reduce the number of pending NFA applications. Then there’s time off for training, and advanced training, team building seminars, diversity training, EEO training, and more…. The deadline to submit your 2019 tax return and pay your tax bill is July 15, 2020 (postponed from April 15, due to the coronavirus pandemic). Our NFA Tracker uses an average approval time based on submitted data and is updated live on our website. My E-filed Form 1 (trust) for my SBR was 60 days from online payment (2/6/15) to disapproval (4/9/15). 2. 15 months would be a serious kick to the nuts. You should be able to select it from the main window. Once the check clears, they then go in the queue. I think I’m done until BATFE can do Form 4 approvals in the same amount of time as Efiled Form 1’s It’s ridiculous to have to pay up front & then wait almost a year (or more) for the item. ATF: NFA Wait Times, EForms And Free Candy. Has anyone recently been approved in a pretty short time? The wait time is based on how quickly the ATF systems and staff can verify the information on the forms and process background checks. Less government intrusion into American’s lives I’d make a joke about these processes being outdated decades ago, but the laws of NFA in general are continuously being shown to be surpassed by technology and innovation – for example, pistol stabilizing braces, binary triggers and additive manufacturing. To them Government grants you rights, liberty, and freedoms. I know they are in different states, but I hear silencers get through much faster. Our ATF Form 4 Average Approval Time - NFA Approval Tracker helps you to predict your approval time / ATF wait time for your ATF Form 4 for individual and gun trust applicants. I can only imagine what poor soul that is waiting for his tax return, and submitting in March+ is going to wait. (That’s the nicest way I can express my opinion.). ATF Form 4 Wait Times. But these times can vary wildly depending on how efficient the ATF is. This might not be a problem if you applied a few months before you decide to cancel. I was looking at a CMMG SBR .300 Blackout. However, when electronically filed, ATF Form 3’s practically fly through the system, and are just a tiny delay in a greater process. Many states ban the possession of such weapons. Don’t forget that the new employees have to coordinate with all the other employees, which might make wait times still longer…. People need to take beating this Wicked Witch of the East very seriously. Your dealer will then call you to come pick up your NFA item. Texas is a relatively free state and I want want me a silenced 300BLK SBR for hog slaying and general hunting. But now, reports are coming in that the forms submitted today will be approved in approximately 15 months from the date of receipt. It is interesting to see that they are taking 3 months to approve / process a transfer on a Form 3 and 2 months on a form 2. It was approved 2/8. If filing as a trust, each responsible party has to supply 2 fingerprint cards – all fingerprint cards must be mailed in at the same time. I bet it'll be every bit of 5 months when I receive it. I filed a lawsuit concerning NFA weapons and lost because there is no right to possess them. The proper form should be submitted to ATF before the transfer occurs. My paper form 4 for my Harvester Suppressor took 90 days from cashed check (2/9/15) to approval (5/11/15). hello gents, i got a form 4 on a suppressor waiting for final blessing from the atf, its been about 2 months now since i sent it off. Typically, you’re looking at a 10-12 month waiting period but you can monitor current wait … It could mean the exact opposite. Keep up with the latest ATF … While the latest official NFA processing time update still shows Form 1s and Form 4s at a dismal six to seven months of wait time to approval, ... ATF Forms 1 and 4 are temporarily unavailable for submission through use of the eForms system. In the past month, the group has grown by more than 1,000 users. I wish I had the disposable income to afford to lock up a grand or so without expecting anything in return for 18 months. ATF has augmented normal data entry efforts so that all applications are now accounted for within days of receipt. Funny how long it took for this to catch up. Every federal holiday, vacation time, sick days…state and federal positions don’t pay top dollar, but the perks are a lazy person’s dream. As progressive as entities like Silencer Shop and other companies that are using fingerprint scanners are, current ATF protocols require printed forms and deliveries by the USPS. We would approve or depending on the circumstances deny an application within a 60-day period which begins with the day a "properly executed application" is received at the Federal Firearms Licensing Center. Hope redistribution! But the … (Heller test.) ATF E-Form 2 (5320.2) Revised May 2017. ATF Form 5320.20 (Interstate Transport) Wait Time - posted in Class III Forum: I was planning on traveling to Missouri from Arizona for the holidays and was tinkering with the notion of bringing my Thompson SBR. The trustee who picks up the NFA item will have to fill out a 4473 (the same ATF form used for buying a regular firearm). Obama’s America truly is a wonderful place. But the … I’ve got way more tied up in form 4s right now, yet that AMD-65 on a form 1 is what I hope to see a stamp for in the mail every day…. The Nofication of Submission email from the ATF will contain a cover letter as well as a CLEO copy of your form 1. ATF has taken a number of steps to address the unprecedented receipt of over 276,000 tax paid NFA applications just prior to the July 13, 2016, effective date of the Final Rule regarding legal entities (41F). Your email address will not be published. Please keep in mind forms are not returned in the order they are sent. I wish I had better news: instant approvals, point-of-sale stamps or the abolishment of the NFA. This means we get feedback on the state of the ATF much quicker with a Form 3 than with a Form 4. Here, have some more hope. No background checks Bummed to see this news . She is dead. . Called in yesterday to check. Hope this helps. Just disgusting. As a result, the number of pending NFA applications has been reduced by 25%. NFA is an infringement on the right to keep and bear arms; a clear one at that. For a few short years, the archaic system of printed paper, inked signatures and the United States Post Office was challenged by a Y2K-esque remote data system meant to transmit National Firearms Act (NFA) form applications. I think the official decision comes in early December, right? So I scrolled through to try and avoid double posting, but forgive me if someone already asked this question and I missed it. Just a tip if you're in a rush. Others have been arrested for illegal possession. I've got an E-filed Form 1 that was submitted 10/18, went pending 10/30 and I'm still waiting. Editor In Chief- TFB The Form 1 (5320.1) is the third option, or the first green icon. I have a form 4 with check that was submitted 1/22..... still waiting. Time to get an approval for a Form 1, over the Internet, is reported to be about 2-3 weeks. For example, lawful heirs must submit a Form 5 and wait for approval before taking possession of any NFA item willed to them. As soon as the changes needed are completed, these forms will be restored to service in eForms. Naturally plastic processes faster than a personal check. The $200 tax must be sent in the form of a check or money order payable to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives at the time ATF Form 1 is mailed in. Like you, I’ll believe it when I … This gives me hope, I think. All Form 4 transfers will be submitted via paper until eForms is updated. I’d expect that applications submitted today will still take a long time, but starting sometime in Q2 of next year we should see progress. I mailed my form 4 on 11/17/2014 Check cashed by ATF 11/25/2014 Silencer approved 02/16/2015 Silencer in hand - 2/23/2015 Wait times have improved over the last few months. Where does it say that in the 2A? 10-1 those employees will mysteriously end-up working on ObamaCare and spying on Tea Partyers. Fewer government salaries to be paid Seriously, is their any justification for why this process couldn’t work as fast as an instant background check? It is, or was prior to this news, the exact same people. Your paperwork will lose the current position with the ATF. ATF EForms Status. A cashed check is prema facia exculpatory evidence. I thought we at TTAG were against expanding government? So the fact that it’s not mentioned in the 2nd Amendment means that it’s legal and covered. We’ll have to agree to disagree about NFA and the 2A. I bought a TON of it from the Obama camp. A year later, the wait time was the same for my SBR. Navigate to the Form 1 option. Oh look we have a federal slave here to tell us what our rights are ordained by Obama. If you want sny hope if this being fixed for good, start being a man of character and a champion of liberty. Their acceptance of your money has nothing to do with it. . The dream of “free candy” was dead – or at least put on hold – and NFA wait times are still calculated in months. If you're gonna take the plunge I'd go for it now. A wait time of 83.84% of 2019. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 02-07-2020, 06:46 AM #2. ATF recently posted updated processing times for NFA forms, as well as for other firearms and explosives applications. The wait times are interminable, and the cash outlay not insubstantial, but the fun factor is tough to adequately capture in words. (Also happens to pass the Miller test. USING PHONES OR TABLETS MAY HIDE IMPORTANT EMAIL ATTACHMENTS. It’s rather maddening with form 1s, because you’ve got the gun right in front of you. . Yes!! Start a free trial now to save yourself time and money! While the latest official NFA processing time update still shows Form 1s and Form 4s at a dismal six to seven months of wait time to approval, industry insiders speaking on the condition of anonymity are saying that three month turnarounds will be the new norm. A wait time of 83.84% of 2019. I’ve done it repeatedly. Nick – what are your thoughts on the relation of this move to the potential changes coming to the handling of Gun Trusts. One downside is that if the ATF’s E Forms system is down, it will let you log in, but then when you try to go to the form you want to complete, it’ll log you off. Required fields are marked *. A while back we posted an update about some new hirings at the NFA branch that was giving us some hope that there was a light at the end of the tunnel, and tonight we have more good news. In response to a FOIA request, the ATF released a letter from 2018 , … ATF “Forms” are all technically Form 5320 with a different number after the decimal point It makes making your own SBR, rather than buying one, make a lot more sense. I know of none. eForm 1 .223 Suppressor. Most commonly this is an ATF Form 4 for an item you have purchased from a dealer such as a silencer, short barreled rifle, short barreled shotgun, or machine gun. Frankly, if you’re going to the trouble of going through the process, just wait for the damn tax stamp. The issuance of the tax stamp, and I believe your possession of it is what gives you the right (in the context of this law) to possess/build the NFA item. While the latest official NFA processing time update still shows Form 1s and Form 4s at a dismal six to seven months of wait time to approval, industry insiders speaking on the condition of anonymity are saying that three month turnarounds will be the new norm. Forms are not considered "late" until the submission date (date we notified you it was mailed) falls a few weeks outside of the dates posted above. This is tyranny and oppression via progression. The new examiners will definitely add more bandwidth to the system and allow them to process a higher volume of the 60,000+ applications that are piled up, but they will be inexperienced and therefore it will take some time for them to be trained and “ramp up” to meet the demand. NFA WAIT TIME / FORM 3 & 4 APPROVAL TIME FRAMES . . . We had initially reported that eight new examiners were being hired (nine total, minus one to replace Sarah Jones), but it looks like that number has increased to 15. That’s 3 months and 3 days, Kids. @Leonard Embody, 1st it’s sad how you subjectify yourself as a slave to your government masters. I have followed some of your battles. Weird. $200 might seem steep, but that is the tax you’d have to pay on any NFA item other than a destructive device. Over the last three months, the average time it takes to process an electronically filed Form 1 as tracked by NFATracker.com has increased close to 200% (from 30 days to well over 90 days). Got a YHM 7.62 Phantom LT on order from Silencershop. When I applied for my first tax stamp, the wait time from submission to reciept was almost exactly 7 months. I could almost live with the $200 if the turn around on the forms was later that day. However, a background check is not necessary. I can’t believe we are clamoring at the trough for a 6 month wait to pay to give up our privacy to get permission to do what we had a right to do via birth. If you can’t meet the tax filing deadline, you can file for an extension. Silencer got cashed a while back so just waiting for it to clear through, but the SBR money order hasn’t had any status updates on the USPS website. At least then you can enjoy your pistol or rifle while you wait. Update: The ATF announced that it has “withdrawn its guidance” concerning pistol braces, which means pistol brace guidelines will remain as they are, for the time being. But hope springs eternal: the listing of EForm Form 1 and Form 4 submissions as “not yet available” in the latest update is at least promising. Step 10. I hope this speed is not a fluke. Individual Or, in plain english, 10 months, 3 days which beat the hell out of my previous approval of 10 months, 17 days!!! Hardly the dimocraps rejected that old witch in 08. ATF Form 1 Filing Cost. What’s the latest ATF wait time? There are also reportedly eight specialists coming on board, and two section chiefs. Fill out, securely sign, print or email your atf form 2 instantly with SignNow. ATF is in the coding process to relaunch electronic Form 4's. Just curious if anyone has gone through the process lately and what the average wait times were for the atf to get the tax stamp sent out. and there’s time off for gay pride day…(really! Your email address will not be published. Or is that just my wishful thinking? Fill out ATF Form 5330.20 Certificate Of Compliance to attest that you are a legal citizen and mail it to the Department of the Treasury at the address shown on the form. Average Approval/Wait Time: ~7 to 12 months. The justification is the feds don’t want you to have these items and will do whatever they can to gum up the works to make it difficult until they can tell you NO to your face. It is very easy to electronically file your Form 1 . But if you are 6 to 7 months into your application, then you will loose that time and will need to start your wait time again with your new form. Also the ATF states that it takes almost 4 hours to process one form. Also, I was arrested and am currently out in bond because I dared carry a silencer which is registered to me and in a locked case. If you can’t meet the tax filing deadline, you can file for an extension. I really need to get a Krink kit for Christmas, so I can enjoy it next Christmas. Go get one of those SIG arm braces… Can be a shoulder thing that goes up in effect if not name AND legal until your stamp comes thru…. And they will pay for themselves (and a bunch more) with all of the taxes they send to the coffers. Like my local favourite agency Centrelink, “never before will so much effort be devoted to doing so little”. My position, is that since it’s a tax issue, the second the check is cashed is the second you have met your legal obligations… Not that I’d risk club fed time on it, but the fact is that the sole premise on which they can charge you is de-facto tax evasion. You will have to do a few things like submit a form to your local chief law enforcement officer and submit a fingerprint card by mail, but that doesn’t seem to slow down the processing time. http://cnsnews.com/news/article/atf-hosts-its-first-gay-pride-observance) Did I miss anything? There is currently no information regarding if/when that may happen. Free. Is this an April Fool’s joke in October? Wait up to 120 days for the background check and processing to complete. Feel free to take all you like. If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. Wrong, wrong says I. There’s some mixed results of this hiring. Well, cite any court decision which says NFA weapons are protected by the 2a. ATF Form 5320.1 (Form 1) - Application to Make and Register a Firearm ATF Form 5320.2 (Form 2) - Notice of Firearms Manufactured or Imported ATF Form 5320.3 (Form 3) - Application for Tax-Exempt Transfer of Firearm and Registration to Special Occupational Taxpayer ATF Form 5320.4 (Form 4) - Application for Tax Paid Transfer and Registration of a Firearm I’m not sure what your legal question is. So to them everything is illegal until there is a law legalizing it. If your application gets stuck in the pending background check stage then you can see your wait time go past 12 months. Didn’t TTAG post a similar article on April 1st that was an April Fool’s joke? This queue according to the ATF is roughly 124K applications annually (see here). We’ve written an extensive explanation of the ATF Form 1 here, and the ATF form 4, is nothing more than the paperwork you fill out when purchasing a ready made NFA item from a dealer or an in state individual to individual sale. I screwed up when I picked the wrong model number in the drop down list on the ATF e-form … More competition in the market Posted September 12, 2018 in Daily News, News, NFA / Suppressors / Class III by Pete with No Comments. OMB No. To view or use fillable versions of any of these forms, go to the ATF websites (https://www.atf.gov) ATF continues to work at restoring ATF Form 4, Application for Tax Paid Transfer and Registration, to service as an eForm. My past records show that all my form 4's are usually received and checks cashed within 8 days. The real “small government” solution to the nfa backlog would be to eliminate the nfa entirely, as it infringes on peoples rights and does not serve any public interest. I think I’m done until BATFE can do Form 4 approvals in the same amount of time as Efiled Form 1’s It’s ridiculous to have to pay up front & then wait almost a year (or more) for the item. 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