The aft berth on the Beneteau measures 60″ x 77″, and you sleep parallel to the keel; the Catalina is slightly narrower at 57 inches wide, is 74 inches to 86 inches long depending on which side you’re on, and you sleep athwartships. That’s 7 as... Hope you enjoy 60 seconds of sailing races, overnight voyages, and windy June sailing on Utah Lake. Screens for the ports (but not for either the forward or main hatch) are standard on both the Catalina and the Beneteau. Catalina still manufacturers replacement parts and upgrades for their boats, which simplifies boat maintenance. I've owned several sailboats over the past 15+ years and chartered sailboats around the world. We judged all branded hardware on both boats to be of acceptable quality. I'll take … This opens the space between main and jib, and allows the jib’s draft to have more options. Here’s the thing about Kate. Since we don’t overnight that often, it’s less important to have a boat divided into separate cabins, as was popular in trailerable sailboats from the 70’s and 80’s. Both goals are accomplished through the selection of a stable hull form with generous beam and fine entry forward. We are compensated for referring traffic and business to Amazon and other companies linked to on this site, it helps defray the cost of sailing a bit. The Catalina 28 Used Boat Review Posted March 28, 2017 While it’s certainly great fun cruising on small boats, there comes a time in many sailors’ lives when they long for the comfort of double berths, hot water, a decent size ice box, standing headroom, and a shower you don’t have to hang in the rigging. Catalina Yachts 21200 Victory Boulevard Woodland Hills, CA 91367 Working aft from the bow: The welded pulpit, like the stan­chions, is 1-inch stainless steel tubing (vs. the Beneteau’s 7 /8-inch), has two horizontal rails (vs. one for the Beneteau) and four legs (three for the Beneteau). Catalina supplied nice plastic vents with white covers on the boats up until who knows when. The interior layouts on the two boats are quite similar: large double berth aft galley to port next to the compan­ionway, head opposite the galley, U­shaped dining area around a smallish table supported by the mast compres­sion post and V-berth forward. She is well equipped and features 3 sails, mast raising system, Westerbeke diesel, electric flush head, Raymarine electronics and … On the Catalina it’s 10 inches at the front, 68 inches at the back, and 75 inches long. I remember at 14 years old "lofting," with my mother's yarn, a 14-foot pocket cruiser on the floor of our living room. The inside track would supposedly allow the boat to point higher, so I may figure out a way to reroute the jib sheets when sailing close-hauled, but so far I have been happy with her pointing ability. Catalina produced the Catalina 250 for a number of years, but later moved entirely to day-sailors for this size class of boat. The bow berth has a great view out the forward hatch which acts as a skylight at night. The rear full bed in the aft cabin is comfortable and roomy for a boat this size. In 1991, Catalina discontinued production of the 27 and replaced it with a completely redesigned boat; the Catalina 270. Patience paid off, I was able to find a boat whose previous owner had taken excellent care of everything. Canvas & Covers. I chose Catalina because I had great experiences dealing with them on my previous boat. Still, the “nav station” top gives the galley slave some countertop space-space sadly lacking in the galley where it should be. She is priced to sell fast and ready for a new home. I keep a full main and jib out into the low 20’s, which makes for exciting sailing without excessive heel. Beneteau bills itself as the largest sailboat company in the world; Catalina lays claim to being the largest in the U.S. So far, few buyers have. All rights reserved. Membership in the discussion forum is free but regulated. It’s a very classic looking boat with a white hull and blue trim. About the CATALINA 270 sailboat You have entered an incorrect email address! To some extent, the choice between the Beneteau 2 65 and the Catalina 270 LE is a trade off between elegant French styling on the one hand, and no-non­sense American practicality on the other. (We’d prefer a set of conventional-and more easily ad­justable and replaceable turnbuckles.) Checking out both boats at a recent show, we noticed that the base list price of the Beneteau First 265 with inboard ($38,050) was less than 10 percent above the base for the Catalina 270 LE ($34,775). Their Euro-styled interior layouts were at least superfi­cially similar as well, as were hull and sail plan dimensions. We’d rather see separate handrails. Please note that the purpose of these reviews is educational, to help you discern the differences in quality among boats generally. The Beneteau has more stowage lockers, faster acceleration, and French-favored rather than California ­favored Eurostyle. Launched in 1971, the Catalina 27 has been a popular favourite, enjoying the kind of commercial success that’s led to one of the longest and largest production runs of its era spanning 22 years and 6,600 boats. We will bring her home in ... International Catalina 27/270 Association - Digest #179 7 messages. Locate Catalina boat dealers and find your boat at Boat Trader! Righting moment comes from a flooding system that permits the double bottom of the boat to be filled with seawater, which is emptied when it comes time to leave the water and winch the vessel back onto the … She was built between 1971 and 1991 by Catalina Yachts (United States) with 6662 hulls completed. Actually, the condition of the vent was not the thing that precipitated the upgrade, it was the damm spiders,… Continue reading → This helps keep the mast in a consistent position to the wind and make sailing more enjoyable for the crew. There’s a small nav station at one end of the couches and a full size electrical panel. This beautiful Catalina 270 Luxury Edition (LE) was designed by Gerry Douglas and built in 1996. What started as lessons with my kids has turned into sailing certifications, a captain's license, and a life long hobby that takes us sailing all over the world. Frank Butler launched his first Catalina 22 in July of 1969, by 1975 he had built 5,000 of the 22's and introduced the Catalina 27 and the Catalina 30 (the best selling 30 of all time). Both swim platforms are molded into “sugar-scoop” transoms, and both are elevated 9 inches off the water, with a bit of transom projecting below. We do not publish the results of the surveys that we perform. And hull speed with appropriate sail and engine power typically permits average-weather runs of 35 to 40 miles in an 8-hour day-long enough legs to satisfy the wanderlust of most cruisers. The Catalina 250 is a flooding-water-ballast trailerable boat. The Catalina’s lightness is helped by a skylight of milk-white Plexiglas (two layers thick) abaft the mast, and more area in the main cabin ports. The Catalina’s is not yet determined, but we would anticipate it will come in around the 195-205 range. From the outset she was designed to be affordable (some have even said cheap) for weekend excursions, club racing and coastal cruising – offshore work was always outside of the design scope. The head and shower are nice, including a second shower back at the swim platform. There are twin anchor rollers at the stemhead (one on the Beneteau). The boat comes with a proper ship’s wheel and a strong double spreader rig. (Massey sells both Catalina and Beneteau). The Beneteau’s compass is option­al, mounted along with any other op­tional instruments on the cabinhouse bulkhead, a better position for crew viewing but not as good for the helms­man. The Catalina’s ladder swings up to form the center part of the push pit, a clever and neat-looking design. Design credit for the Catalina 27 goes to Frank Butler and Robert Finch. The Catalina 275 Sport packs a lot of value and performance in a small, easy-to-manage sailboat. The boat came with excellent snap-on bug screens for the companionway and forward hatch which keep the bugs out and the fresh breeze flowing. And when the wind kicks up into the upper teams, she heels gently and really picks up speed. Catalina 270 Cons. Engine. Above that, a partially furled jib and reefed main will take me up to about 30. The Beneteau First 265 In a head-to-head comparison of entry level inboard cruisers, we think the lower price and practicality of the Catalina favors it over the glitter and gloss of the Beneteau. Con 1 – Cabin top winches. Both boats have anchor lockers built into the forward deck, but the Beneteau’ s locker has a water tank fill cap in its bottom. On both boats, the pulpits and stanchions are fastened to the deck with a single large threaded stud, projecting down through the deck and secured with a large washer and nut. The cockpits on both boats have comfortably high, canted coamings and angled seats. The plastic turned a nice sun damaged yellow over time, and appears to get brittle. All berths on both boats have com­fortable 4-inch cushions. It’s really annoying. This can make it extremely inconvenient to fill the tank when line and chain are piled overt he cap. I have been looking at the B & C and your article cleared up many questions I had. We usually don’t have that many sitting in the cockpit, with the wide side decks and comfortable interior, crew usually spread out while sailing with some sitting on the bow, some below, some in the cockpit, and some on the stern rail seats. The Beneteau’s genoa sheets lead to cars riding on C-shaped aluminum tracks, which double as handrails, on the cabintop. We have no objection to tillers-in fact we generally prefer them in this size boat-provided there’s no no­ticeable drag in the rudder tube and that the forward end is a comfortable height over the sole. If we were buying the Beneteau, we’d insist that she be retrofitted with taller stanchions. Performance. Still, Beneteau, with a 4,800-lb. Both boats have swim platforms and stainless swing-down swim ladders. It’s not easy to grab the tracks/rails, which require feeding your fingers through a narrow slot molded in to the coach roof. If this vinyl is anything like the stuff used on boats 15 or 20 years ago, the foam backing can be expected to dry out and crumble to powder eventually. In this post I’m not comparing the Catalina 25 with the Catalina 270, they’re different boats. The standard factory jib tracks were on the cabin top. Nicely outfitted, spotless inside and out, has a white hull, blue cove and boot strips, with gray non skid deck and cockpit floor area.It has a double spreader rig, lead wing keel, Perkins 18HP diesel with very low engine hours (Only 540 Hours), full batten mainsail with double reef points complete with Dutchman self sail … In a Catalina 25 swing keel this was not a problem because we could just raise the keel and still get out to deeper water. Every year before we change the clocks for daylight savings time we do a year in review of the mechanics and cosmetic changes to our incredible sailboat. Now if Catalina would only install a good-size hanging locker, put in more working counter surface in the galley, make it easier to make up the forward berth…. The Catalina easily wins the Ladder Sweepstakes with a four-step, 24-inch wide ladder with flat plastic treads, compared to the Beneteau’s three-step, 8-1/2-inch wide ladderI with treads only 1-1/4-inch wide, tW made by flattening the stainless tubing a bit. The Beneteau First 265. In reality, there’s not enough space to unroll even a small chart on the work surface presented, which is effectively cut in two by a fiddle across its middle. It displaces 6,400 lb (2,903 kg) and carries 2,000 lb (907 kg) of ballast. At the moment, PHRF for the Beneteau is 168. The cockpit table is a great place for lunch or dinner. In searching forums and blogs for the down sides of Catalina 270’s, I found the following. In contrast, the Beneteau seats no more than seven at the dock, and that assumes that one passenger is seated atop the traveler and the tiller is swung up out of the way. Neither the Catalina nor the Beneteau forward berths have these prob­lems. The Catalina 270 is a small recreational keelboat, built predominantly of fiberglass. The day we sailed the Beneteau, it was blowing 15 knots steadily and 20 in gusts, and the 265 heeled not more than 25 degrees close-hauled with full sail. The table has plenty of room for the crew to eat, or the leaves can be folded for added legroom around the table, or removed entirely and stowed  when preferred. Hatches & Ports. But, unfortunately, moving the track forward isn’t feasible because of the long companionway bridge deck, which reaches forward beyond the boom’s midpoint. (A tall rig is optional.). Catalina continued to offer an outboard option until 1989. Even when the wind and waves kick up, the boat rides the waves well and feels very stable in the water. We’d go for the Catalina without hesitation. Interior Appeal. The Beneteau interior gives an impression of good craftsmanship, above-average but not consummately executed, and a dark though pleasant­ly airy cabin. The only rea downsides are a lack of storage, (to be expected in a 27 footer) and the steering gear cover in the aft berth. April 30, 2014. The Catalina 27 is a 26’10” (8.18m) cruising sailboat designed by Frank Butler (United States) and Robert Finch (United States). I'm Mike, the guy behind Unsinkable 2. Catalina 270 is a 27′ 0″ / 8.2 m monohull sailboat designed by Gerry Douglas and built by Catalina Yachts starting in 1992. Catalina 275 Sport Review: Affordable, Easy, Smart, and Fun. In con­trast, the Beneteau has only four stanchions, less than 18 inches high, with sin­gle lifelines. I looked at many Catalina 270’s, and waited for one that had been nicely upgraded with things like spinnakers, racing and cruising sails, outside jib tracks, extra winches, refrigeration, boom vang, bimini, dodger, low hours engine, upgraded electronics, LE version with a water heater, nice trailer, cannons, etc. The Beneteau has a slightly shorter LOA but longer LWL (length waterline), and a nearly plumb bow. Catalina 270 Boats Review and Specs Year: 1997 Manufacturer: Irish Boat Shop, Inc. Price: US$27,000 This Catalina 270 has her own included trailer. The sails and canvas are in excellent condition and the interior is very clean. The Catalina’s 32-inch stainless steel destroyer wheel on a pedestal is an Edson, a brand we associate with high quality and reliability. Yanmar diesel motor with only 350 hours on her. In a head-to-head comparison of entry level inboard cruisers, we think the lower price and practicality of the Catalina favors it over the glitter and gloss of the Beneteau. Having owned a Catalina 270 for about 8 years now, and having upgraded most of the systems to reasonably current technology, we’d say this boat is a pleasure to sail. So in no particular order, here are the features and factors I considered. No matter how well the spreader ends are protected, and whether you use ready-made vinyl spreader boots or conventional rigging tape, water will get through to the fittings inside. Both the Beneteau and the Catalina utilize modern wide-body, fin-keel, spade-rudder configurations, relatively long waterlines, and moderate rigs with shrouds moved in­board to permit a nar­rower sheeting base. These boats notably the C-250, the Hunter 26, and the MacGregor 26 all are of very modern design, are relatively inexpensive, and feature workmanship and materials of generally serviceable but by no means … 1993 Catalina 270 The Catalina 270 is one of Catalina's most popular yachts, this 1993 is very clean and was re-powered in 2007 with a 20HP Yanmar. Unfortunately, the Beneteau failed both tests, even with the height adjustment screw at the rudder head in the extreme “down” position. We wouldn’t be inclined to sleep two in either aft berth, since the inside party not only doesn’t have much vertical roll-over room due to incursion of the cockpit sole, but also must crawl over the outside party to get up. The mast is stepped on a hinge for lowering the spar at bridges, trailer ramps, or for maintenance, but Beneteau says use of the hinge is not recommended without side-sway preventers- currently available as an option in Europe, but not in the U.S. Excellent comparison on both boats. Con 2 – Cabin-top jib track. We did our testing on the Manatee River off the pier of Massey Yachts in Palmetto, Florida. New members are now set to moderated as a result non-boating related postings from new members. Catalina succeeded the long lasting design with an all-new water-ballasted and trailerable weekender, the Catalina 270. Do Twin Sheets Better Control the Mainsail? The Beneteau features a seven­ eighths rig with single spreaders, adjustable split backstay, mast stepped on deck with compression strut in the cabin, and shrouds tied into a force grid molded into the cabin top via a set of studs threaded into a patented con­figuration involving stem balls set into bronze plates. boat, does offer an outboard version (base price $32,900 excluding engine, which is $5,150 below the inboard Beneteau price with engine) and rec­ommends a 9.9-hp. We’d also prefer to see the Beneteau’s cockpit­ mounted mainsheet traveler track moved forward onto the cabintop (as the Catalina is configured), so crew moving from cockpit to cabin don’t have to dodge the mainsheet and car. I created this video with the YouTube Video Editor (http://www.youtube.com/editor) Un­der power, however, her smaller engine and prop (single-cylinder, 9-hp., 26-CID Volvo, 15 x 12 optional fold­ing prop) was definitely not as effective upwind as the Catalina’s (three­cylinder, 18-hp, 3 7-CID Perkins, two­blade 13 x 10 prop). Which boat, we wondered, is the better buy, and for whom? On the Beneteau, you can lower the table and set up the berth without undue commotion; but setting up the Catalina berth involves a lot of fussy positioning of the raised forward seat and locking it in place with a pair of hard-to-reach latches. When reselling a boat one never gets out of it all that went in to upgrades, so additions that came with the boat are a great bargain. Deeper is relative, I still wanted a shoal drafted boat, something less than 4 feet. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. The boat is very well-behaved, she balances easily and will easily hold her course while stepping away from the wheel for various tasks. Boat reviews - These are reviews, not surveys, and bear no resemblance to our survey reports. I like the swim deck on the sugar scoop transom which makes swimming easy. Other features on deck also favor the Catalina. That Catalina 25 found a new home with a new owner in the same marina. Manufacturers. Still, we question what will happen to the deck when someone falls against a stan­chion; four through-bolts and large backing plates to distribute the load would be better. From sail trim to boat systems to physics to history to exploration, sailing is a buffet for the brain. This site is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com. The Catalina is heavier, more stable, roomier, better equipped, and has a lower price tag. The displacement, being 6,400 dry and probably closer to 8,000 fully loaded, is very stable on the lake. The majority of our sailing trips are evenings or Saturdays, with a few overnights each year. These overall similarities make the differences between the designs more obvious. The Catalina 270 LE vs. Engine and shaft log access was very good on the Beneteau, superb on the Catalina. outboard for those who wish to go this route. In short, we wouldn’t hesitate to sail either boat in dusty weather. The Wing keel version is offered with a short keel fitted with large winglets. Though hard to judge in such strong, shifting winds, we think the Beneteau had the edge in sailing speed, as her statistics would indicate. And that doesn’t include a pair of “observation seats” built into each corner of the push pit. On mine, a previous owner had installed a second set of jib tracks on the side decks. The Catalina 27 is a 26’10” (8.18m) cruising sailboat designed by Frank Butler (United States) and Robert Finch (United States). People who are more style and perfor­mance conscious, however, may prefer the classy accou­terments of the Beneteau, and fall in love with her despite its other shortcomings. The bottom of the Catalina’s tran­som misses the water by a couple of inches, but the Beneteau’s, with a short horizontal lip extending aft below the platform, is slightly immersed and thus attracts sea life, evident from the unsightly coating of saltwater slime on our test boat. It has a masthead sloop rig, an internally-mounted spade-type rudder and a fixed fin keel. At around 27 feet, an in­board engine and the possibility of standing headroom are enticing. Speaking of light, the interior is very bright and open, with translucent skylight panels on the cabin top to bring even more light in. Tall folks will appreciate the larger Beneteau berth. She was built between 1971 and 1991 by Catalina Yachts (United States) with 6662 hulls completed. 2009 Catalina 270 Wonderful opportunity to purchase a extremely clean, well-equipped 2009 Catalina 270. How frequently do you bother removing spreader boots and taping to check the condition of the spreaders and rigging? Ok, maybe not cannons. I had to add a mast-raising system, but with the online owners groups there were lots of ideas and instructions to put one together. (Among other prob­lems, in a seaway an outboard prop tends to ventilate too much). If I were rating the Catalina 270, she’d get 5 stars. The size and placement is good for steering from either a sitting or standing posi­tion; brake and compass binnacle (4- inch Danforth Constellation) are stan­dard; pedestal-mounted brackets for additional instruments such as depth sounder and speedo are extra. Both boats do well in heavy air. The wing keeled Catalina 270 drafts a skinny 3’6″. The Catalina’s Perkins also was smoother and quiet­er, despite the fact that its engine box (two removable clam-shells back to back, of fiberglass-foam sandwich construction) had no added insula­tion, while the Beneteau’s plywood box was lined with soft foam. The Catalina’s masthead rig, even with double spreaders (permitting use of a lighter spar than the Beneteau), is more conventional. Measurements Propulsion Engine #1 Accommodations Catalina 270 – Long Story Page 2 of 9 Keep updated on whats happening in the world of the Catalina 28 class Exterior Appeal. I loved my Catalina 25, it was the perfect boat for us for nearly a decade. 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